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Tom: hi maggie
Maggie: hey tom
Tom: i'm still at work! aaaaah
Maggie: oh no!
Maggie: what do you do again?
Tom: advertising operations
Maggie: in new york?
Tom: yep
Tom: where are you again?
Maggie: i live in brooklyn but right now i'm in new jersey
Tom: i also live in brooklyn
Maggie: i realize now that i never specified 830 pm EST, i'm hoping that was obvious to everyone else
Maggie: i think jeanine is in austin
Maggie: oh, where?
Maggie: i live in crown heights
Tom: i live in clinton hill / bed stuy - near pratt university
Maggie: off the g?
suzanne joined the chat 67 minutes ago
Tom: exactly. at classon
Rebecca joined the chat 66 minutes ago
Tom: so are we all here?
suzanne: hello everyone
Tom: hihi
Maggie: hey all!
Maggie: we're still short one person
Rebecca: hi everyone!
Maggie: amanda, we're missing amanda
Tom: maybe one of us can shoot her an email
Maggie: she's actually the one who requested 830 instead of 8 because she gets home from work late, so she may just be running a few minutes behind
Rebecca: Are you okay chatting at work Tom?
Tom: oh yeah, totally.
suzanne: oh that's right, we can wait another few mins. actually i think when you log in, it shows the previous convo..so she won't miss anything if she's running really late
Maggie: great
Rebecca: We can also save the conversation once it's over so we all have a transcript
Maggie: also very useful
Tom: perfect
Maggie: while we're waiting, does everyone have access to the wiki now?
Maggie: i was in the wedding this weekend so i was actually fielding emails from the rehearsal, etc, and i kind of lost track of who had and hadn't requested access!
Tom: i just requested access. i've been so late on everything this week!
Maggie: okay, i just approved you
Tom: i feel so accepted.
Rebecca: thanks again for taking the lead, maggie
Tom: maggie, is there a password i need here?
suzanne: yes! much appreciated, maggie
Maggie: oh no prob
Maggie: a password for pbworks?
Rebecca: you may need to create a pbworks user account
Rebecca: with the email address you requested access with
Tom: nm i'm in
Tom: thanks
Maggie: yes, as long as you have a pbworks account, you'll find the socinfogroup2 wiki under your workspaces
Maggie: everyone has administrator privileges
Maggie: okay, maybe we should get started without amanda? i'll email her to let her know we're here
Maggie: i forwarded the invite to her gmail because she specified that she checks that more often on the ecollege board
Tom: i think that's ok
Amanda joined the chat 54 minutes ago
Rebecca: sure, let's get started
Maggie: heyo!
Tom: heyo!
Rebecca: hi amanda
Amanda: Hey sorry I just got in!
Maggie: no problem, we figured you were running late!
Maggie: we haven't really discussed anything yet
Maggie: although i notice that you aren't on the pbworks workspace yet
Amanda: Ok cool. Be right back on a computer and not my phone haha
Maggie: no prob, i just sent you an invite to the wiki too
amanda joined the chat 51 minutes ago
Tom:
Tom: sweet
amanda: alright awesome hey again
Maggie: hey
Maggie: alright, let's get started!
Tom: i assume we're going to use rebecca's agenda?
Maggie: i'd like to!
Tom: looks good to me
suzanne: me too!
Maggie: we already have a project management tool (wiki) and a mode of communication for group meetings (chatzy), so we should cover weekly goals/timeline and individual roles/responsiblities
Maggie: as well as setting expectations for response times? (that's part of what dr. pavlovsky suggested)
Maggie: and, of course, talk about the direction of our project re: content and any ideas for the presentation
Tom: right. that's my first question. what are we doing?
Maggie: i like the idea of a website with embedded video/screencast presentation on the main page and then write ups of different issues and links to other resources on sub pages
Tom: i understand we've been assigned the digital divide
amanda: that sounds good to me too.
Rebecca: @maggie - i like that idea as well; if possible i'd like to steer clear of google sites and use something like wordpress if we want to go with templates rather than building our own site from scratch.
suzanne: i like the idea of a website too, with different links. especially because digital divide is such a broad topic that could go in many different directions, we could have subtopics
Tom: can't we submit the pbworks wiki as our report platform?
amanda: i second wordpress, it might be the easiest to put together cleanly
Maggie: we can, but then we will have to gear it toward the class instead of using it as a management tool for keeping each other updated on our individual work toward the final project
Maggie: which is totally up for discussion
Maggie: i like the idea of wordpress also, though, for the record. i've never actually used google sites.
Tom: i'm open to using pbworks for both
Tom: unless, say, we use a google doc as a management tool?
Maggie: we could do that too
Maggie: maybe it would help if we talked about individual roles first
suzanne: either way, we'll have to make 2 sites, one for managing, one for presentation . i guess whichever is easiest to transfer
Maggie: well, we have three people interested in wordpress for the final project, if rebecca and amanda still want to use it
Tom: maggie, that sounds good.
amanda: google docs might be easier for managing? im not sure, i've never used pbworks before, im not sure how to use it
Maggie: we could also use the wiki
Rebecca: yes, i agree with suzanne. we could decide which platform to use at a later point once we start getting some content; consensus seems either way though we'd like a website (of some sort) with a page for each sub-topic.
Maggie: that's totally fine
Tom: so we're tending towards choosing a platform to manage our work right now, yeah?
Tom: we'll talk final presentation later? so what are we managing discussion with? i'm for pbworks
Rebecca: i agree with tom about pbworks for project management ; google docs is a bit difficult to organize coherently since it's all on one page
Maggie: amanda, i can talk you through pbworks and send you a common craft video on using wikis after this, if that helps?
suzanne: i agree, i think we should stick with the pbworks wiki, especially since we already have it set up
amanda: that'd be awesome, i'd appreciate it!
Maggie: i also like pbworks for the same reason, many pages instead of a single document
Maggie: okay great
Tom: what's next, maggie?
Maggie: based on what comes out of this discussion, i'll set up subpages for different aspects of the project right after we're done chatting
Maggie: okay, well, we can talk about individual roles (and in this, division of subject coverage, i hope) or weekly schedule/goals
Tom: i don't mind writing.
Maggie: think it would be easier to talk about the former before the latter, so we have a better idea of what we want to accomplish before we set a schedule
Tom: if anyone feels like they don't want to write a whole lot, i prefer it
Tom: and i'm pretty good at cleaning up a mess of ideas that are floated about.
Tom: just to speak to a particular strength
Maggie: that is a useful skill to have in a group project
Maggie: have you looked at any of the literature on the digital divide yet, tom? i think we should also talk about any particular issues relating to the topic that we may individually want to gather material about
Tom: i have not
Tom: i felt like sandbagging on that point. thought maybe i'd get some inspiration from others speaking to their interests
amanda: i haven't looked at any academic stuff but i would like to look at mobile web and how that affects the divide
Maggie: so, yes, maybe everyone could give some indication if there is some aspect of the final project they might want to work on (screencast/video, write-up of an issue, amassing links/articles, etc.) and also, if there is any particular topic they want to cover
Maggie: great, amanda!
amanda: i've done just like a google search and a wikipedia browse over but i'm really interested in it
Tom: that sounds awesome, amanda
Maggie: danah boyd was talking about how urban teens/teens of color were the first to utilize the mobile web but that developers only started to care about optimizing the web for mobile devices after middle-class white adults started buying smartphones in one of the readings dr. pavlovsky linked to on the digital divide tab on ecollege (also here: http://www.danah.org/papers/talks/PDF200...
Rebecca: i'm interested in the concept of community informatics - the practice of researching and developing ICT solutions for "the public good" that actually take digital divide issues into consideration before implementation
Maggie: also good
amanda: oh awesome maggie, i have yet to read that but i definitely will
amanda: do a lot of companies do that rebecca? most companies i work with forget...haha
Maggie: i think i might be most interested in the "global digital divide," like the imbalance of access and use on the level of countries/how governments control information flow
Tom: ok, so it sounds like we have three solid sub-topics here
Rebecca: i think that's a really great one maggie - did you watch the TED talk that Lilia had posted?
Tom: 1. Maggie's proposal - the demographics of the digital divide (by race & age, for example)
Tom: 2. Rebecca's community informatics
Tom: and 3. the mobile web
Tom: maybe we can parse those out
suzanne: like I mentioned in the group intro, i wrote a little bit about it for the human info behavior class. not sure if we want to use that at all. But I read an article about how too much technology actually is negative for groups in extreme poverty. might be too against it though..i'm also interested in language barriers. not sure if that overlaps maggie's global idea
Maggie: tom, the global digital divide issue is ususally framed on the level of developed vs. developing countries than other social demographics
Maggie: however, we might want to talk about the demographics of the digital divide in the united states as another subtopic
Maggie: because there is a lot written about that
Tom: i think that's a good point
amanda: yeah, the us on its own has a ton of into
amanda: info*
Rebecca: suzanne, ii think your HIB paper would be great. we could do a sub-topic on the information poor - homeless individuals, battered women, immigrant/refugees. i think also that the community informatics piece could also just be broadened to just how to address the digital divide -perhaps its own page, separate from the sub-topics.
Maggie: my hib group project was about information poverty
Maggie: and just to go back to demographics in the us, this is a good article for some background reading tom: http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content...
amanda: ooh i like that idea too.
Tom: i personally think information poverty raises enough sub-topics in its own right to constitute a project
Maggie: (you can access it through the rutgers library if you log in)
Tom: thanks
suzanne: yeah i wasn't sure if there was too much overlap, or if getting into info poverty was too much, but we can keep those topics in mind
Rebecca: i agree tom, but we could use jsut one of those groups as potentially representative of some of the types of issues. i think demographics is important, but even in that there's age, race, location (urban - rural), economic status, gender, etc. i think we could think of large subtopics and identify one or two specific examples to represent, being sure to acknolwedge that we're only getting the tip of the iceberg
suzanne: i just wasn't sure what topic to focus on for the digital divide, sorry to be all over the place
Maggie: lol, i think we're all kind of all over the place right now suzanne
Maggie: it's hard with a group this big
Rebecca: i'm definitely having trouble narrowing too
Tom: this will be messy at first
Maggie: well, would we all be able to set another meeting later this week
Tom: it's alright. i can tell you that i would rather have a unified topic that focuses on two or three particularities of a broad topic than the alternative: a couple of broad topics
Maggie: commit to delving into the literature and coming back with a firm focus on what we would want to cover in a general intro to the digital divide and then a subtopic each of us would want to be responsible for?
amanda: i can do any night other than friday or saturday
amanda: i work those nights
Maggie: (it keeps erasing the first few words of my sentences!)
Tom: yeah, maggie. that's a point. we don't have to decide now
Rebecca: i could do wednesday after 6pm; thursday after 8pm and may be able to do sunday evening as well
suzanne: i like the topics everyone suggested so far. we could find a way to split them up, see what we each find and report back?
Tom: YES
amanda: agreed
Maggie: that sounds good to me
Tom: i can never do before 7pm on weekdays
Maggie: the way i am going to split up the wiki right now
Maggie: is by group member
Maggie: and on your page, you can list resources that you find relating to the digital divide in general and the subtopic you're interested in
Maggie: as well as any ideas you have about the presentation of the information
Tom: sounds great to me
amanda: sounds good
Maggie: so we can keep tabs on everyone else's progress for the time being and share resources with each other
Maggie: does that sound good?
Rebecca: yes, thanks maggie
amanda: yes!
Tom: yep
suzanne: yes, good plan!
Maggie: can reorganize the wiki later to better reflect the organziation of the project
Maggie: good good
Maggie: okay, so, let's just restate what each of us will be researching (in addition to general info about the digital divide, which all of us should do)
Maggie: since it sort of got jumbled above
Tom: let's go alphabetically haha
Maggie: and then also, when you can meet later this week or weekend
Maggie: if you find something else you're more interested in or a better way to frame the discussion as you research, we can reorg in the next meeting
Maggie: so don't worry about that
Maggie: you're not married to what you choose here
Maggie: @amanda: here is the video about wikis from common craft - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnL00TdmLY
amanda: i'm going to do mobile device divide and i can meet (since tomorrow or wed is probably too soon) thursday night at any time, friday and saturday i work until 11
amanda: thanks for the link!
suzanne: thursday night works for me as well
Maggie: okay, i'm researching the global digital divide, and thursday night is actually the only time i can't meet.
Maggie: well, actually, maybe i could
Maggie: i'm babysitting for a friend; it's a matter of whether the babies stay asleep
amanda: if we can do like, 10am saturday i can do it
amanda: maybe 11
Maggie: i could do that too, or if we said 8:15 pm on thursday, i can probably swing it
Rebecca: i'm going to research approaches/strategies/practices of addressing digital divides (i.e., community informatics - at least as I understand it currently). Unfortunately I can't do Sat morning, but can do Thursday night and Sunday night
amanda: that works, thursday is my only day off this week haha
amanda: sunday the latest i could possibly work is 9, i dont have my schedule yet
Maggie: okay, as long as tom can do thursday night
Maggie: then let's do it then
Tom: yeah, i'll do whatever as long as it's after 7
Tom: i'll come up with a topic by then... and it'll probably be something historical
Maggie: sounds good
Maggie: 815 pm is okay for thurs?
Tom: great
Tom: on this thing again?
suzanne: i'm thinking i might focus on a specific aspect, like language or age...but i'll see what i can find
Maggie: and suzanne, do you want to specify a research focus right now? you can always expound more on your wiki page
Maggie: okay great
Maggie: i think this worked pretty well and would like to use it for the next meeting
Maggie: if that works for everyone else?
Tom: sure
suzanne: yep
Rebecca: good by me
amanda: yeah!!
Maggie: okay great
Maggie: i'm going to edit the wiki right now
amanda: i actually have to go, i have something in the oven but i will see you on thursday?
Maggie: please feel free to reorganize your page as i'm going to give it a basic template
Maggie: see you thursday!
Tom: likewise. bye!
Maggie: bye!
suzanne: see everyone thursday
Rebecca: thanks maggie! see everyone on thursday
Rebecca: i'll save the convo for us and put it up on the wiki too
suzanne: good idea, thanks!